[SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Agile in China

[Michael Wollin [e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

Would someone please point me to references concerning agile training, coaching and transformation in China? In particular, I'm interested in what have been specific real world experiences with cultural challenges.

This is to share with a client who asked me what differences there are. I've never been there and I certainly known I don't know. :)

Thanks.

Michael

[Tirrell Payton [e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

Hi Michael,


You probably want to talk to the good folks over at Odd-e (Bas Vodde).
They have been operating in APAC and China for awhile now.
http://www.odd-e.com/


Also, Julien Mazloum has operated in China for nearly a decade in the Agile
space
***@outsofting.com


- Tirrell
Free Visual Guide to Scrum:
http://www.payton-consulting.com/free-book-a-visual-guide-to-scrum/

Post by Michael Wollin ***@mercurysw.com [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]
Would someone please point me to references concerning agile training,
coaching and transformation in China? In particular, I'm interested in what
have been specific real world experiences with cultural challenges.
This is to share with a client who asked me what differences there are.
I've never been there and I certainly known I don't know. :)
Thanks.
Michael

[George Dinwiddie [e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

Michael,

I've done a little agile coaching in China. To be honest, the biggest
issue was the fact that the US teams looked down on them. In this
particular client, I found the Chinese eager and quick to learn. Their
US counterparts, not so much.

- George

Post by Michael Wollin ***@mercurysw.com [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]
Would someone please point me to references concerning agile
training, coaching and transformation in China? In particular, I'm
interested in what have been specific real world experiences with
cultural challenges.
This is to share with a client who asked me what differences there
are. I've never been there and I certainly known I don't know. :)
Thanks.
Michael

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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Tirrell Payton ***@payton-consulting.com [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <***@yahoogroups.com> </div><div>Date:02/26/2015 11:43 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: ***@yahoogroups.com </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject: Re: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Agile in China </div><div>
</div>Hi Michael,

You probably want to talk to the good folks over at Odd-e (Bas Vodde). They have been operating in APAC and China for awhile now.
http://www.odd-e.com/

Also, Julien Mazloum has operated in China for nearly a decade in the Agile space
***@outsofting.com

- Tirrell
Free Visual Guide to Scrum: http://www.payton-consulting.com/free-book-a-visual-guide-to-scrum/

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Michael Wollin ***@mercurysw.com [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Would someone please point me to references concerning agile training, coaching and transformation in China? In particular, I'm interested in what have been specific real world experiences with cultural challenges.

This is to share with a client who asked me what differences there are. I've never been there and I certainly known I don't know. :)

Thanks.

Michael

[[e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

Hi Michael,

You can contact me on that topic.
There are certainly differences.
As always: corporate culture goes first, national one goes second.
In the general lines:
The communication style, the way of declaring an intention, the way of taking responsibility are different.
Some classical examples and the best examples are questions asked to a group of people, this is where the way of communicating is the most different.
Examples of a situation: asked to a group:
"Do you understand English?" -> Nobody answers even if they all understood perfectly the question.
"Do you all agree with the impediments list we jut came up with?" -> Nobody answers.
Asking a question to a group of people is rarely effective because people there usually do not like to stand out visibly and verbally with somebody they are not familiar with.
In a retrospective, asking people to write down their comments (such as "what did not got well in a retro") and than go explain to others works much much much better than just asking to explain directly.
I have others examples if I think if it more and I do not pretend those are absolute rules. Just what was striking to me.


Thanks,
Julien.

[Srinivas [e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

Interesting! Thanks Julien.

I had a very similar experience teaching in Bangkok.
When asked for feedback orally there was no notable response. When asked to pen down on post-its and put them on the board, a lot of it came pouring, ranging from joyful praise to castigation.

So much for f2f communication.

-- Srinivas

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Post by Tirrell Payton ***@payton-consulting.com [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]
Hi Michael,
You can contact me on that topic.
There are certainly differences.
As always: corporate culture goes first, national one goes second.
The communication style, the way of declaring an intention, the way of taking responsibility are different.
Some classical examples and the best examples are questions asked to a group of people, this is where the way of communicating is the most different.
"Do you understand English?" -> Nobody answers even if they all understood perfectly the question.
"Do you all agree with the impediments list we jut came up with?" -> Nobody answers.
Asking a question to a group of people is rarely effective because people there usually do not like to stand out visibly and verbally with somebody they are not familiar with.
In a retrospective, asking people to write down their comments (such as "what did not got well in a retro") and than go explain to others works much much much better than just asking to explain directly.
I have others examples if I think if it more and I do not pretend those are absolute rules. Just what was striking to me.
Thanks,
Julien.

[[e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

Hi Srinivas,


Actually, after the ice-breaker which is to write it down, people do go and explain one by one what they wrote. And a more interactive discussion often follows after that. So it is f2f, may be a bit longer. But it is still f2f. Eventually it is good to get things visual. So I did not feel communication to be particularly less effective for that example.


Thanks,
Julien.

[James Abrams [e-mail] [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]]

This is a very good example. Thank you...
James


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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "***@mazloum.net [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT]" <***@yahoogroups.com> </div><div>Date:03/06/2015 11:43 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: ***@yahoogroups.com </div><div>Subject: [SCRUMDEVELOPMENT] Re: Agile in China </div><div>
</div>Hi Michael,


You can contact me on that topic.
There are certainly differences.
As always: corporate culture goes first, national one goes second.
In the general lines:
The communication style, the way of declaring an intention, the way of taking responsibility are different.
Some classical examples and the best examples are questions asked to a group of people, this is where the way of communicating is the most different.
Examples of a situation: asked to a group:
"Do you understand English?" -> Nobody answers even if they all understood perfectly the question.
"Do you all agree with the impediments list we jut came up with?" -> Nobody answers.
Asking a question to a group of people is rarely effective because people there usually do not like to stand out visibly and verbally with somebody they are not familiar with.
In a retrospective, asking people to write down their comments (such as "what did not got well in a retro") and than go explain to others works much much much better than just asking to explain directly.
I have others examples if I think if it more and I do not pretend those are absolute rules. Just what was striking to me.

Thanks,
Julien.